Citrus Growers Forum is online again

[mikkel]

Citrus Growers Forum is online again. Do your copies as long as it is

[Sylvain]

I already have mine.

[ilya11]

Je crois il est finalement mort, Millet et Laaz sont réunies sur l’autre forum.
Sic transit gloria mundi.

[Jloup27]

Quel est le nom de l'autre forum américain merci bien !

[Sylvain]

Là tu vas être déçu, il n'est pas du tout du même niveau que l'ancien.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/

[Jloup27]

Ah mince... peut être que les gens qui devaient le rendre interessant vont migrer dessus vu que l'autre n'est plus ?

[citrange]

Sylvain, Mikkel - I am trying to locate some information and particularly the photos that I know were in the Citrus Growers Forum in 2012. The post was called 'The Communist Oranges of Hungary' by me - Citrange.
Is it possible for you to check whether you have the original post and replies?
Thanks, Mike.

[ilya11]

citrange
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:14 am Post subject: The Communist Oranges of Hungary Reply with quote
Hungary, being a central European country with a Continental climate is quite unsuitable for growing citrus outside.
However, in the communist period efforts were made to grow oranges in order to replace expensive imported fruit.
In the early 1950's trees were planted in deep trenches, so they could be completely covered in winter. This was mainly on the south-facing slopes bordering Lake Balaton - a large area of water which provides some local modification to the cold winters.
I have just discovered this fascinating page of photos on the web-site of the Elte Botanic Garden in Budapest. It is titled "Hungarian Oranges"
Here are a couple of pictures from it


for full pdf see
http://www.fuveszkert.org/images/pdf/magyar_narancs.pdf
Mike/Citrange

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:22 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Very interesting technique, however according to this Wikipedia article, so unsuccessful that it spawned a liberal political magazine by the name "Magyar Narancs" (Hungarian Oranges) to refer to the generally goofiness of the Hungarian communist system of that era.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyar_Narancs
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:41 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Very cool information. Thanks Mike.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:32 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Interesting article. Cant't say much for the construction material the communist government used. - Millet (406-)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:38 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Millet wrote:
Interesting article. Cant't say much for the construction material the communist government used. - Millet (406-)


Only the finest!! Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:23 am Post subject: Reply with quote
I have the book which is mentioning about trench culture at Keszthely but I was too lazy to sit down and translate, till now. Embarassed

The book describe the biology of citrus, the average temperature requirements for growing citrus from flowering till fruit ripening, soil, etc. There are also few data's about hardiness.

The majority of citrus trees were grow from seed until 1951-52 when arrived from Georgia country few thousand of grafted citrus plants like: C. Unshiu, 'New Georgian' Lemon, 'Georgian' Orange, Meyer Lemon and Lemon 'Keszthely' - I believe this one is from seed.

Two rootstock's are mentioned in the book: PT and Bigaradier.

In 1953 Keszthely, the average of temperature to meet the growing requirement of citrus was 199 days and the total temperature received by plants was 3495C degrees. This calorimetry was enough for Satumas fruits to ripen till end of November but not for lemons and orange.

There was done an experiment from 1953 when those tranches were covered with glass from 15th of September until 30th of April and with this method they can increase the growing season to 278 days and the total temperature received by plants to 4.755C. This was enough for lemons and satsumas fruits to ripen in the same year but instead for oranges it wasn't because the intensity of sun is not enough during spring and autumn. Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:30 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
That really worked.

I was there and ate some fruits even.
The fruits very tasty , just very small, at all the lemons ...

With a little of heating this tech would even work perfectly at any place ...
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:06 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Quote:
I was there and ate some fruits even.

When were you there?

[Sylvain]

Ilya, tu m'as battu. J'ai passé des heures à chercher dans 'Citrus cultivars' et c'était dans 'Citrus Facts And History'.
Je cherchais une variété d'orange alors que c'était un épisode historique!
Là, j'ai été un peu idiot.

[foufouche]

Merci. Le pdf avec la série est très intéressant.

[Jloup27]

Les documents de l'ancien forum sont donc toujours disponibles? De quelle manière vous les avez récupérés?

[ilya11]

Ilya, tu m'as battu. J'ai passé des heures à chercher dans 'Citrus cultivars' et c'était dans 'Citrus Facts And History'.
Je cherchais une variété d'orange alors que c'était un épisode historique!
Là, j'ai été un peu idiot.

Il faut chercher avec "Hungary"

[citrange]

Thanks for all your efforts in recovering this information!
I also searched for a long time to try and find the pdf with the photos: http://www.fuveszkert.org/images/pdf/magyar_narancs.pdf
But neither Google nor Bing searches gave any results, even though the pdf is still online in the original location.
Sylvain - sorry you wasted your time! It will be good when you manage to publish the whole archived Citrus Forum again.
Merci beaucoup!
Mike/Citrange

[ilya11]

Ma copie de CitrusGrowers a la taille de 3,64 Mo, après compression elle est de 2,91Mo.
Si quelqu'un est intéressé, je peux la mettre sur le cloud pour le download.

[Jloup27]

Ça m'intéresse bien

[ilya11]

Envoie-moi ton adresse email par MP.

[Sylvain]

Moi aussi, bien sûr!

[ilya11]

Sylvain, JLoup27, vous avez le lien de téléchargement dans votre boite de mail.
Si ce n'est pas le cas, regardez dans les notifications ou le spam.

[Sylvain]

OK, merci.

Ah, mince! C'est la copie de Lemandarangequatelo.
Je l'avais déjà.

[citrange]

Ilya - can you send me the download link?
Thanks.

[ilya11]

It is done

[fialka]

je peux en avoir aussi celien svp? J'envoi mon mail dans MP

[ilya11]

Готово

[fialka]

Готово

Merci !!!!